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TOPIC: Proposed 2014 Rule Changes Discussion

Proposed 2014 Rule Changes Discussion 2 years 11 months ago #6027

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This is actually not true as I understand it. If this rule doesn't pass, then they can simply omit the inspection port so that ti is not a buoyancy tank. I don't think this minor detail would be require scraping the entire set of moulds.

Everyone is biased in one way or another, that is the point of this forum so people can understand what everyone thinks about the proposed rule changes. Yes, Tyler is affiliated with Rondar in the US, but we welcome his opinion on this. In fact, I requested that he chime in here to help the membership understand the motivation for this rule change. I think most people welcome cost-reducing innovations.
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Proposed 2014 Rule Changes Discussion 2 years 11 months ago #6028

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Current bare hull prices of both Rondar versions

Current model: 7250 GBP = $11,388.63 today
New model: 6250 GBP = $9,817.78 today

I think if you cut the aft tank open, then you have to sand and paint that area to make it look nice. Don't know if that would change price.
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Proposed 2014 Rule Changes Discussion 2 years 11 months ago #6029

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That's great, but you are ALL missing the point, this boat DOES NOT measure under the current rules, and it is not sufficient to build a boat and then try to change the rules accordingly. So let me get these points over to you. As someone suggested earlier, I suspect that there is not enough volume in the forward bouyancy chamber because of the new mould (as the photos' clearly show), there is not even a proper front bulkhead anymore and you have seemed to have forgotten about the additional side tanks under the deck, which again are not within the rules. I am sorry, but it's getting boring listening to this "pro-rondar" banter. I remember very well when we launched our new boat in La Rochelle, the International measure coming up to me and criticizing that the deck and the overall shape of the boat didn't look like a 505, REALLY take a look at this 505 it looks like a CONTENDER!
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Proposed 2014 Rule Changes Discussion 2 years 11 months ago #6030

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It surprises me that there is not more discussion on these rule changes, either on this or other forums. There seems to be no input from German owners, or French, or Australians, or even Canadians. I've looked at the French site and seen nothing concerning the proposals either. Where would their discussions be? Am I looking in the wrong places? Are these rule changes a non-issue to them?
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Proposed 2014 Rule Changes Discussion 2 years 11 months ago #6031

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Paul, in fact the French International measurement committee formally wrote to the 505IRC on 07/30/14 (I have a copy of the letter), in which they totally reject all of the changes that have been proposed in this ballot. As for the other countries I am not aware of any position being relayed back to the International RC of the 505.
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Proposed 2014 Rule Changes Discussion 2 years 10 months ago #6034

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As a former international president for the class it seems, that what we at that time spend a lot of time discussing, are getting reality now - Rondar and other boatbuilders told us how to make the boat cheaper at that time and now they actually have come up with a piece of equipment that show us it can be done.

If the 505 should survive it´s important to simplify the boat and get costs down - the future 505 customers all come from onedesign classes - most of them not even paying for their boats - and when they look down into a 505 they se a lot of complexity - strings and gadgets which they are not used to.

So more one design for the class, restriction of the expensive gadgets which only helps the chandlers business - changing rules to simplify production etc - but still keep the sail and hull shapes which are "classic" - if the class try to imitate the skiffs with gennakers, fathead mains etc - it will just loose to the real stuff!

At the end of the day - it´s way more fun to race in a large fleet in a 20.000$ boat which is 1% slower than in a smaller fleet in a 35.000$ boat.

And if you think you will loose those guys that really loves to tinker and experiment with their boats - you won´t - because they will not even consider the 505 - the will go for box rule boats lik A-cats etc. where they can have their fun playing with expensive toys.

Best regards a a merry x.mas
Tom Bojland
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