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Rigging my old Parker 8 years 8 months ago #124

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Just trying to set up an old Parker I have bought but have got to the stage of tearing my hair out over it! Anyone - please help!!!!!

1. Jib
I attach the halyard, hoist the jib and the loop in the wire come through the mast. There is no tensioner system on this boat, just a sawtooth arrangement on the mast presumably to hook this loop on. However, even without any tension I seem to have about 50cms of slack halyard even on the lowest setting on the sawtooth thing. Since there is nothing else to tension the shrouds I presume there should be something more and, in any case, what do I do with all this slack?

Mast rake could account for this but I am half way down the shroud plates anyway so there is not a lot of scope to do much there. What shroud tension and mast rake should I have anyway?

2. There isn't a mast strut so I do have to be careful that the mast doesn't fall down while I am putting up the jib. Could I fit a mast strut on this old boat or would the deck not be strong enough?

3. The cunningham seems to have about two metres of rope to the hook to connect to the eye in the mainsail. This stikes me as being at least two to three times as long as necessary. What is the usual arrangement here?

4. The kicker or vang (is there any difference?) seems a strange setup and is of quite stretchy rope whereas I would use either wire or dyneema. Again, what is the usual setup?

5. The Outhaul goes round loads of pulleys and then has a lot of dangly slack once any tension is on. I can think of ways of tidying this up but I don't want to reinvent the wheel if there are good ideas out there already.

Sorry if I sound just too much of a numpty but my impression is that this boat is just a whole load of bits thrown together and possible has never sailed in the form I have it. I am feeling rather an odiot for not asking the seller to rig it up for me first but he had the mast all taped up for me when I got there and I had a long trip back so wanted to get started as soon as possible.
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Re:Rigging my old Parker 8 years 8 months ago #125

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My boat sounds very similar to yours, it still has a lot of the original rigging. It sounds like your forsetay setup is similar to mine. On my mast, the sawtooth is used for the main halyard and I have a lever system for the forestay/jib halyard, since getting a few hundred pounds of tension on the sawtooth may be a bit of a challenge. Likewise, I do not have a strut ram and need someone to hold the mast foreward when putting up the jib(aided by the fact that the boat leans forward). Not sure whether the deck is strong enough without reinforcement, I guess it depends on the boat. I have an under-deck ram(essentially a Harken magic box)that only pushes back on the mast. I may do something similar to the Bayliss/Larsen boat, they have a ram that lies flat on the deck and is adjustable fore and aft. If you have a similar setup to my boat, it would allow a ram to be fitted where the original one is, but could also pull the mast forward. My vang is a 6:1 system, with a vee jam on the lower block. It is part wire, and the line going through the blocks is 1/4" spectra core line. I would recomend leading the vang aft though, mine is cleated right at the mast and is on my list of things to change. Hope this is helpful, if you want to see some pics of my boat let me know.
-Mike Armstrong, KC 4331
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Re:Rigging my old Parker 8 years 8 months ago #127

It is unfortunate that you didn't rig it with the past owner. All 505s tend to have a bit of a "personality" so it is often best to rig it with the current owner. If not to far might be worth a pint to get the person to help you out. Generally 505 sailors are pretty friendly that way. Let us know the boat number and we can likely get you a hystory on the boat etc...

Please let us know where you are and we can set you up with a local contact to help you out. There is a really good general layout/description piece on the german 505 website. 505.3wadmin.de/trimm/WeltmeisterTrimm.html. Obviously if it an older baot it wont have all these bells and wistle but it give you all the basic controls and more modern set up. If I had to guess the hook you think is for the cuningham is likely the hook for the forestay. Many Rondars are rigged with a wire loop at the end of the forestay wire that come out just below the gooseneck, the stainless hook goes there and sets you forestay tension. It is fine starting out with no mast ram but you should make up a/some block to be able to set/adjust as you start to learn to sail the boat. Yes you can retrofit a ram but will need to be carefull to palce it such that the weight is distributed over the forwad bulkhead. You will likely need to do structural changes in that area to do so. See german site for the current traditional set up. Many variant that could have some line bit the 2 main cascade should be wire or a new modern line as 505s tend to really load up the vang

Welcome to the 505 and keep the questions comming. Picture are a big help as well if you can take them of your problem areas.

Tom
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Re:Rigging my old Parker 8 years 8 months ago #128

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Very good information. Thank you Tom.

My impression, possibly unfairly, is that the seller had bought two 505s, building a good one from the best parts from the two and that what I have are the leftovers which don't curently go together in any meaningful way. That, or it was a renovation project in which someone lost interest part way through.

It will never be a competitive boat though I would like to use whatever modern tweaks I can to improve the sailing experience. Reefing would be good to help when sailing single handed, for example.

There are two controls running to the thwart. One is for the vang. Is the other for th cunningham or for jib tension?
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Re:Rigging my old Parker 8 years 8 months ago #129

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I sent you some pictures of my boat via email that may be helpful. It can sometimes be hard to re-rig a boat since there really aren't two 505s that are identical. I found the best thing to do is just get the boat out on the water, then evaluate where you would like certain control lines led. The running rigging is unrestricted, so you can pretty much just do what you want. That being said, I went through exactly what you are going through(though to a lesser degree, since my boat was pretty much ready to sail), trying to figure out where the heck everything goes and what could be done to improve it. I would imagine that the second line you described is for the cunningham.
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Re:Rigging my old Parker 8 years 2 months ago #197

I have an old Parker 5973. I'm going to rebuild it so everything is stripped and ready for a new layout. I'd like to use Spectra,dyneema,and vectran line for rigging instead of wire. Are there any problems with this, is anybody doing it? Also I want to add side spin launchers mainly for access to the mast rigging inside but maybe also launch a light air from the side and keep a heavier one in the bow shoot, or is this just a dumb idea? I'd love to see someone else's layout so I know where to begin. This class is completely new to me. I'm a former sailmaker and I'd like to get really creative with the rig. Does anyone also have the sail measurment reqirements? I'd appreciate any help I can get.
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