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capsizing/bailing question 8 years 2 weeks ago #209

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I have a early 70's Rondar with the four transom openings. Two get covered by flaps.. Here's my capsizing question, if you please:

Having capsized AND righted the boat, I have great trouble ridding the cockpit of water.. and in wavy conditions the additional water that gets dumped into the cockpit through the launcher tip and across the sides of the boat swamps the boat totally.. I end up needing coastguard pickup to get anywhere after that.

There is a (small) critical amount of water that the bailers can get rid of. Beyond that amount, the boat is slowed enough to take bailers out, in a downward spiral of slow-heavy-slow. The rear (bottom) flaps also start leaking bigtime once slow and submerged, especially the top ones. (I eventually siliconed the transom shut because of this, flaps only made things worse).

I have seen 420s with a cut-out milk-gallon container for bailing out water, is this the answer?

To me this is almost a design flaw (but I am biased by a current misadventure). Could anybody talk a little about this, am I missing something? Thanks for any help.
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Re:capsizing/bailing question 8 years 2 weeks ago #210

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When you get the boat upright you want to sail your fastest angle, bailers open, transom flaps open. Assuming that you capsized because there was some breeze the boat will bail pretty quickly, less than a minute. Are your tanks leaking causing the boat to float low in the water and be much heavier?
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Re:capsizing/bailing question 8 years 2 weeks ago #211

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Thank you. The tanks leak, but how/where is kind of mysterious.

I epoxied/3M5200 and sealed the hull everywhere it was accessible, but always got a little water in the tanks, maybe from the front deck, a leak from spinnaker tube? I always feel the boat is a little low, and very often during sailing get water through the front chute opening.. There is always water inside the centerboard cassette way to the top, splashing up like a fountain..

After the latest capsize the boat stayed in the water with cockpit filled and eventually sank to the shallow bottom.. Oy weh.

I think best is to sail a little with experienced crew in newer boats, and watch their setup.. next summer maybe.

Thanks again.
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Re:capsizing/bailing question 8 years 2 weeks ago #212

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I see you are in Chicago, get hooked up with some of the sailors there, they will set you straight.

Cheers,

Mike
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Re:capsizing/bailing question 8 years 2 weeks ago #215

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if the water gets above the centerboard trunk it'll come in there too. sometimes it helps to capsize the boat again to dump out water that comes in through the transom etc. and try again.
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Re:capsizing/bailing question 8 years 1 week ago #216

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It very much seems that your boat is too low in the water. Is it very heavy? Is the crew very heavy (>300kg)? Is there water in the front bouyancy tank? Water should not often enter the spin shute in the bow and never enter the boat throught the centre case unless going very fast with poorly sealed cb gasket/flaps. Do you have good flaps on the centre case? Normally after a capsize we open the transom flaps and the bailers and sail fast with the crew weight moved back in the boat until most of the water is gone.
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